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		<title>Counting without, er, numbers</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone else think it&#8217;s ironic that in Formulaire de mathématiques (Peano et al.: 1895)1 used the natural numbers to number the axioms which define the natural number system?
Yes, I know what Bertrand Russell thought of those axioms (that they don&#8217;t, in fact, characterize the natural numbers), but I also know that Russell was very [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else think it&#8217;s ironic that in <em>Formulaire de mathématiques</em> (Peano et al.: 1895)<sup>1</sup> used the natural numbers to number the axioms which define the natural number system?</p>
<p>Yes, I know what Bertrand Russell thought of those axioms (that they don&#8217;t, in fact, characterize the natural numbers), but I also know that Russell was very taken with Peano at a conference in Paris some years later and saw him in a new light. It also seems that Peano <em>did</em> think the axioms characterise the natural numbers. I tend to agree with Russell, but I still find it slightly astonishing that the axioms were numbered. Talk about bootstraps!</p>
<p><sup>1</sup>NB. I don&#8217;t have an original copy of FDM to hand; I only have secondary sources that quote it. If they are misquoting, then this post is bunk and those secondary sources slide a little lower in my estimation. If <em>you</em> have a copy of FDM, why not photograph it and put it online for the world to see? These issues need clearing up; foundational maths is still a mess, and the history of foundational maths is even worse.</p>
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